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#11112
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Hello folks,

Having made such a success of my bridge I seem to have gone into planning mode...

And I've got a bit stuck. I'd like some input here folks - comments please!

I want to make some pillars, roughly in the style of the ones in the LotR movie - which I suspect Stefan et al won't want to copy in case New Line Cinema go after them. I'll make a decent pattern and then cast a few up in resin.

Obviously, my pillars would want to be the 'standard' DF height - 4cm (?), but the question is how 'fat' to make them? I could make them 1" (2.5cm) across, like the red pillars, the pedestals and the upper and lower stairs. They'd be nice like that, but at the same time they might feel a bit 'weedy' if they're only 1" wide. So maybe they'd be better if I made them 'chunkier' - say 2" across. But then they wouldn't be so useful for supporting things like the upper and lower stairs. Humph! Or maybe I should 'bite the bullet' and make two sizes...

Phil
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#11113
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Have you checked out the selction of cake decorating pillars available? There may be something already available that's right up your alley.
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#11114
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
I agree with blairgb's suggestion here PH.
Never scratch-build something that you can just modify something else into.
Go to the nicest bakery in town, and ask them if you can see their catalog for wedding cake accessories.
Almost guarantee you that you will find something you like or at least, something good to start from.
Plus, it will be fairly light - always a serious consideration.
Best of luck!
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#11115
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
It sounds like you want something that really comes close to matching the actual movie props, PH, in which case you might encounter difficulties locating anything useful on the market. The cake columns are fantastic items, but they aren't really LOTR-looking, and as bases for customizing they're more expensive than simple blocks of wood.

I'd say go with fat, fat, fat. Several reasons for this:

1. We already have small pillars from Stefan. Why not give yourself more variety? You'll have more to choose from in the long run.

2. You want movie accuracy, and in the film, the columns were HUGE.

3. Chunkier is probably easier to pull off, though if you're making a mold and planning to cast, it will be more expensive as you use more resin etc.

4. There is no reason #4.

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#11116
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
It sounds like you want something that really comes close to matching the actual movie props, PH, in which case you might encounter difficulties locating anything useful on the market. The cake columns are fantastic items, but they aren't really LOTR-looking, and as bases for customizing they're more expensive than simple blocks of wood. L
My thoughts exactly. Unless there's been a huge demand for wedding cakes resembling Moria :lol: since the films came out I'm not likely to find anything suitable. And I can easily scratchbuild the basic shape to detail, be it fat or slim.

I'd say go with fat, fat, fat. Several reasons for this:

1. We already have small pillars from Stefan. Why not give yourself more variety? You'll have more to choose from in the long run.

2. You want movie accuracy, and in the film, the columns were HUGE.

Very true!

3. Chunkier is probably easier to pull off, though if you're making a mold and planning to cast, it will be more expensive as you use more resin etc.
I can make either - neither seems particularly difficult - though if I make fat ones I'd be tempted to make them hollow underneath to save on resin, which will make them slightly harder to make. I think I'm heading towards making masters for both, and either choosing between them at that stage, or casting both if I like both - I can forsee uses for both types.

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#11117
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
The very first thing I made after I had the received my first sets of DF was to make a set of pillars. I used wood dowels of roughly the same thickness as the regular DF pillars, and then used two sizes of square pieces of wood with a thickness of 2 mm. Four squares to each pillar, with two at each end. The top and bottom squares are 1 inch square, while the smaller squares are slightly smaller than the large squares, but larger than the diameter of the dowel. In effect I copied the look of the DF pillars. If you want fatter pillars you can always use a 2 inch square bottom piece with a 1 inch dowel and if you want to give the impression that the pillars continue up into the darkness, you should leave out the squares on the top. One easy way of doing it. Cheap, too...
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#11118
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Dowel idea works - done it for non-modular display pieces.
The idea with the wedding cake pillars is that they have a variety of fashions, including LOTR themes, and if not used as themselves, they can be excellent light-weight cores for something more elaborate.
Used this idea also for terrain pieces.

Best of luck and creativity in your pillars.
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#11119
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
i would marry again if someone promised me a moria wedding cake!!

i agree to the points said before. make them fat and topless and why stick to 4 cm? if you go for willypolds solution try doing it with balsa wood so you can age them quite easy. i found a special seal in my hobby shop -its put over the painted piece. let it dry and if you paint over it with another colour after a few seconds it looks like 100 years old (its peeling of, has cracks and you can see old colour underneath). the name is (in germany) krakelier lack.....?
good luck!!!!
(after that bridge i am very curious)
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#11120
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Then find the right woman camoudragon and do it over.
I am sure any quality baker who specializes in wedding bake goods can find the proper decor if you are going with an LOTR theme.

My wife uses that crackle paint on some of the art frames she makes too.
It is for shabby chic decor.
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#11121
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Hey Camoudragon!

Don't complain; it took me THREE TRIES to get it right! Now I have a wife who not only 'understands' gaming, SHE plays as well.
And she does a damn good wizard; Cassandra is NOT the wiz you want to . . . upset. Her Magic Missiles are deadly - I know; she's killed more of my evil nasties than any wizard I know of (although that MAY be because as a craps shooter, I make a great paperhanger!).

Again, good luck and good hunting.

See ya!

Jim
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#11122
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
actually i hope i will not (at least in the near future) have to find a bakery that has to make a moria cake - i am quiet happy as single. but you´ll never know - always looking...

the crackle stuff is very shabby but on my pillars it looks cool. to be honest that is the only use i found till today.

i think i have to buy a digicam so i finally can post some of my stuff. i have a few days of - so i have a mission now.
have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#11123
Scratchbuilding Pillars 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
This evening I printed off my design for a 1" square pillar and starting carefully cutting out pieces of styrene sheet in order to make it. Tomorrow (a day off work - YIPPEEEE!) I shall assemble the bits I cut this evening, and (hopefully) start on detailing it. I am going to make it very carefully, because I shall make only one - which I shall cast in resin (or get a friend who does resin casting for a living to cast) to get as many as I want. The design is not dissimilar to the pillars shown here: uk.games-workshop.com/dwarves/moria-pillars/2/ but smaller.

I have a design for a 2" square pillar too, and have devised a method for extending them upwards to act as supports for an 'aerial' walkway, which I haven't finished designing yet, but which will work in a similar way to the walkways in the photo in the midle of this page: uk.games-workshop.com/thefellowshipofthering/designers-notes/1/ though I hope mine will look much more 'dwarven', as befits the subject.

I'll keep you updated as to progress - assuming I make progress and am happy with the results!

Phil
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