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#15942
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
A man that can write as well as him can get away with pretty much anything in my book. Excellent stories BTW!
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#15943
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
A man that can write as well as him can get away with pretty much anything in my book. Excellent stories BTW!
That is not a valid reason for such behavior.

WAAAYYY back in 1987 I went to my first Origions in Baltimore. They had a board game there called Isaac Asimov's Star Trader that they were demoing/selling. They had about 4 or 5 boards running at the same time. Once a day Asimov came out to participate in the demo. Out of the next 30 people in line 5 would be randomly chosen to sit with Dr. Asimov, play the game and pretty much just shake with excitement. I was on of those 5 one day (I even have my autographed copy of the game still).

Dr Asimov was the most intelligent, humble, humorous, gracious and down to earth person I ever met. It was a pleasure sitting with him.

A talented obnoxious troll is still an obnoxious troll. Even with his talent my understanding is Ellison lives a fairly lonely, bitter existence based on things I have read about him over the years.
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#15944
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
A talented obnoxious troll is still an obnoxious troll.
Hey! Take that back!

Oh, you mean Ellison.

Ahem.

Well...

I've heard he's hard to get along with. He hangs out with one of my other writing heroes, J. Michael Straczynski, and I hear that he's hard to get along with as well.
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#15945
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YC -

The difference between Harlan and Joe Michael is that JMS can work in other peoples universes without beating them to death. The difference between what Harlan wrote for City on the Edge of Forever and what Roddenberry and Justman and Coon produced is sufficient that Ellison barely deserved writer mention; he nearly butchered the ST "backstory" or "history" in the process of creating his story. What he wrote was a very GOOD story, but it did NOT have a full family relationship with what Roddenberry created as Star Trek.
And then Harlan got all "pissy" when Gene and Gene fixed it enough that it could work within the framework already established for the ST universe. Between the three of them, they created the episode that gave Star Trek it's second Hugo award - and that's saying something, because IIRC, that was the first and ONLY time a TV SF show has taken the Hugo for dramatic presentation, or whatever category it was, TWICE.

B5 I believe got a Hugo, but I honestly do not know if it got more than one; if so, it's the only other one to do it, and that event would only prove my point, since Harlan didn't do anything with B5.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please; at least on the facts. Okay, YC? I'm really NOT trying to stomp on your HE fandom, it's just that he's always annoyed me, as well as a LOT of other people, in and out of SF fandom and TV/film production. As BlackHawk1 said, he's a talented but obnoxious troll - no wait, that's insulting trolls, a thoroughly dangerous thing to do.

See ya!

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#15946
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Harlan Ellison has produced some good stuff, and some utter drivel. Unfortunately, his ego prohibits him from differentiating the two when he's the one that wrote it.

He's also a man with an enormous chip on his shoulder, abrasive, obnoxious, and generally a complete twit.

I've met a number of wonderfully creative people, and the vast majority of them are nicer than Harlan Ellison. Then again, a pit bull with rabies and a bad case of indigestion would be nicer than Harlan.

I think the one thing to say in his defense is that he does bathe or shower regularly. It's not much to say, but it does bring things back toward the original topic. Hey, how often does that happen?

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#15947
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well, it took me a few minutes, but I finally recovered from the shock.
Imagine; a topic that came back around to where it belongs.

Yeah, I've whiffed some gamy gamers at Shore Leave. In fack, to be honest, I was one of them one time; somehow, my whole gamer set disappeared that time, and I was left with an empty table. That taught me my lesson, and now I'm showered up even if it means I have to get up an hour earlier!
Guess I learned MY lesson that day!

See ya!

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#15948
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Some of the "unwashed" at conventions may not have access to a shower.

I went to a convention once and shared a room with ten other people (because it was the only way we could afford a room). If you didn't wake up early, you could have a couple-few hours' wait to get into the bathroom. And if you weren't in the first half of the lineup, it was easy to decide that NOT showering was more sanitary than stepping into that tub. (Plus, there were no dry towels left -- thank goodness I took HHGttG seriously.)

Some people have been known to attend a convention without getting a hotel room at all. They can often be found curled up on a couch in the con suite, or they'll volunteer for security so they can sleep in the dealers' room. Either way, they don't have access to a shower, and they can get pretty ripe by the end of the con.
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#15949
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
jack -

Next time you encounter someone like that, remind them of the efficacy of Wet Ones - they actually DO work, as I've discovered.
Kept me safe a couple of times; just don't go beyond using them for the basic areas that MUST be cleaned up.

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#15950
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Note that a number of those were unwashed before the convention. Also, I think one could make it a point to have a fresh change of clothes, at least fresh underwear and shirt. Finding a shower is important, but even if you can't, one can always make do at a sink with some hot water and a washcloth.

The point is that a number of these gamers are downright gamey. I think it's high time that we stopped be so worried about offending them, since it's their odor that's offensive.

I'll be nice about it, but I'll tell them to go shower and then come back.
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#15951
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I don't disagree with you. There is nothing worse than being stuck next to someone who makes your nose sting and your eyes water because they stink. But be ready for some extremely offended people no matter how polite you are.

I'm very allergic to perfume of all varieties. (Some synthetic perfumes will actually trigger a migraine.) I used to work in a large room full of small cubicles, and some of my co-workers wore enough perfume or aftershave to make me fairly miserable. But when I mentioned it (generally, no names) at a staff meeting and asked if people could cut down on the amounts they used, I was met with open hostility by several people (none of them the actual offenders). Even though I had expressed it as a personal health concern, and not a complaint about how anyone smelled. My boss dismissed the matter as unimportant until a co-worker asked him (privately) what he would do if I showed up smelling of feces, or if I stopped showering -- he got the point, but nobody ever did anything about the heavy perfume users.

Personal odor is a very sensitive topic, no matter what the scent. Very often, we are the last ones to realize just how badly and/or strongly we smell (due to acclimitization?). Some people don't mind their own scent, so don't understand why anyone else would. Some people who don't bathe become quasi-political about it. ("This is how I smell. It's natural and honest. If you don't accept that, you don't accept me.") In the case of perfume wearers, they have actually put effort into smelling the way they do -- unfortunately, they become acclimated (or the perfume fries their nostrils) so they can't smell themselves, and they use more and more without realizing just how strong the scent is.

Here's a variant on the smelly gamer topic: What do you do (if anything) about a gamer who showers regularly, but is "gassy"? I've been at some gaming tables when someone cut loose with a "silent but deadly", and no one said anything. At what point do you ask a chronic offender if he can excuse himself before he passes wind? Is a stick of incense a clever solution, or an insult?
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#15952
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
YC -

The difference between Harlan and Joe Michael is that JMS can work in other peoples universes without beating them to death. The difference between what Harlan wrote for City on the Edge of Forever and what Roddenberry and Justman and Coon produced is sufficient that Ellison barely deserved writer mention; he nearly butchered the ST "backstory" or "history" in the process of creating his story. What he wrote was a very GOOD story, but it did NOT have a full family relationship with what Roddenberry created as Star Trek.
And then Harlan got all "pissy" when Gene and Gene fixed it enough that it could work within the framework already established for the ST universe. Between the three of them, they created the episode that gave Star Trek it's second Hugo award - and that's saying something, because IIRC, that was the first and ONLY time a TV SF show has taken the Hugo for dramatic presentation, or whatever category it was, TWICE.

B5 I believe got a Hugo, but I honestly do not know if it got more than one; if so, it's the only other one to do it, and that event would only prove my point, since Harlan didn't do anything with B5.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please; at least on the facts. Okay, YC? I'm really NOT trying to stomp on your HE fandom, it's just that he's always annoyed me, as well as a LOT of other people, in and out of SF fandom and TV/film production. As BlackHawk1 said, he's a talented but obnoxious troll - no wait, that's insulting trolls, a thoroughly dangerous thing to do.

See ya!

Jim

Harlan was a consultant on B5, as well as a Psi Cop in one episode. I think he might have even written an episode or two. I could be wrong on that last one.

But, yeah. I wouldn't attempt to defend him on a personality basis. I just enjoy his work.

Back to the smelly gamer issue! :)
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#15953
Gamers for Personal Hygiene 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
The funk sho' do emanate from all types at a Con... Young, old, obese, skinny...

* * * * * If you're sensitive to straight forward medical talk, this post isn't for you. (Jeff, et al, I can understand and don't mind if you pull this reply--I won't be offended or insulted in any way). It's graphically descriptive but not sexual in any way, so if you're o.k. with that, read on... * * * * *

It's a touchy topic that has definitely been lingering (no pun intended) for years. The question is, why does it seem to have such a high rate of occurance in gaming circles? I can understand the smelly youth factor. My FLGS is full of kids (all ages from 7 through teens) and you're almost certainly guaranteed to detect some sort of foul odor coming from at least one or two of them. When kids hit their teens, those pits just start kickin' da' funk big time. Teens just forget to wash and deodorize from time to time. We've probably ALL done that as a teen. That's understandable and manageable.

Even the 20 somethings suffer from this--particularly the college crowd. I live in a huge college town and even in bars and restaturants I've experienced this. I'd say it was pure laziness, not showering, or forgetting to put on deodorant (or using really, really cheap anti-perspirant).

The 30 somethngs and up have no excuse. You're an adult now. Take a freakn' bath or shower for cryin' out loud. I honestly believe that the occurence of people who are naturally immune to the cleansing and scenting properties of soap and deodorizers is probably statistically pretty low. Of course I don't have any medical data to back this up so what do I know?

I can understand however, how obesity doesn't lend itself very well to hygene. There are some adverse medical conditions that can occur as a result, even when a person showers regularly. One such condition is a yeast infections (yes, men can get them too) in the folds of the fat. Untreated, it can turn into a nasty, foul smelling infection.

I'll leave it at that and won't get into other truly gross reasons for the funk. I do agree with Kradlo though--take a shower and change those sweaty clothes. Nobody wants to smell that kind of funk. There's a certain degree of social responsibility and respect that one should strive to put forth if going out in public. Basic hygene is a part of that.

jackattack--if your gaseous guest is a friend, why not offer him some Beano? If he's close enough (assuming it's a male, women aren't completely innocent of said offense) to you, he'll probably just laugh and take it in stride.
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