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#47395
Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
I've been doing a great deal of thinking about old TSR dungeon maps and how things have changed with the ability to place miniatures in a three dimensional setting. The map designs of the old ones can seem so impractical to the transformations of a dungeon architect using miniature rooms and corridors.

So, I'm wondering what your comfort zones are with your rooms and passages. How narrow a corridor can you go and still enjoy using your pieces?

When I look at the Caves of Chaos for example we're looking at a map featuring squares marked off at a 10'x10'dimension... A quick count and calculation leads me to believe that if each square was mapped out and built into a dungeon at the size of 1.5" per square that we are looking at a table that is 9'3" x 6'3" and thats assuming the walls take up no space. (or that there would be no walls)

So how narrow can a passage be before things become so constricted that even the miniatures can get a little claustrophobic?
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#47396
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
Hah! this thread made we wish for some miniatures that are sculpted to look like they are having a clastrophobic attack or some other fear spell attack. I'm not sure anything like that is out there.
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#47398
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
Haha, indeed jgardner. Though miniatures are becoming increasingly evocative, I don't know of any minis that appear fearful or something of the sort.

My question however purely revolves around how tight or small can a dungeon corridor or room get before as players we become resentful of the space.

It seems to me 1" corridors are way too small.... Yet many maps seem to feature areas where this is the size of the hallway.

The other problem I was visualizing was in recreating some of the gigantic settings all at once as one ongoing, comprehensive, overly extensive creation. I'm planning some really big builds, and I am just thinking about scale at the moment because I fully intend to use the creations for gameplay.
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#47401
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
I wouldn't want to use smaller than 1.5" and only for limited sections. That is about as small of a corridor as I would want to move miniatures in. Even then I couldn't move many monster figures through there. However, if my goal was to have a choke point somewhere where a large monster couldn't get to players that might be a good size.
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#47405
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
This is another reason to wish for minis of the same character in different poses -- sometimes your character in "battle pose" doesn't fit in your miniature terrain.
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Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
Yes jackattack, indeed it is. Something I have been considering for some length of time now as well. Now, to start the miniature manufacturing company I've always wanted...

Now in regards to the narrowness of corridors and rooms, I have to say my comfort is limited at the 3inch width. I've seen narrower but I don't feel that works as well with miniatures and maneuverability.
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#47414
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
The problem here is one of scale.
Most "real life" rooms are not much bigger than 20 feet by 20 feet, butthat's only 4 by 4 squares in DF scale (assuming 1 square is 5 feet).

Miniatures tend to be around 30mm squares tall (sometimes taller) and 'fill' a square. Of course in real life, you should be able to squeeze at least two and maybe up to 4 people onto 1 square but the size of miniatures precludes this. The effect is that miniatures often 'fill' rooms that have 'realistic' (TSR style) proportions. If you think about a modern flat, most of the rooms might only be 10 foot by 6 foot in size....

The answer is to change the ground scale. Make 1 square only 2.5 feet instead of 5 feet. I've tried it and visually it works well. Less claustrophobic set ups and more realistic sized looking rooms in relation to the figures. Of course, the new problem then becomes you need about 4 times as much space and DF to make any given room/encounter.....

You can't win them all! :)

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#47431
Re:Claustrophobic Miniatures? 2 Years, 3 Months ago  
I think you've nailed it Dave,

You definitely knew what I was thinking about here. I've been experimenting with scale, working things larger for the sake of visibility and manueverability. More seems to be the answer to everything. haha

I'll have to do the math, certain settings would have to be impossibly large. All the better, for a promotional exhibition at a convention though...
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