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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by kitenerd » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:24 pm

The variability of hand painted pieces is beneficial for avoiding pattern repetition... If robots start painting our walls, then the lighter/heavier drybrush goes right out the window ;)

That said, a robot could be programmed with a dozen different patterns of stones to highlight and have no problem doing them all at random in the same production line (saving the need for later collation).

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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by bernyleung » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:09 am

William wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:15 am
I had this though earlier today after reading this thread.
The mass production labor will be done by automation after the artist makes a model for them to copy.... ;)
Yes, but will it really be as good? Is there always a person at the end to do quality control, touch up, etc? And if there is, have you really saved a lot of money I this process? I don't know the answers to this.

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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by William » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:15 am

fstkfstk wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:16 pm
There are $40k mini-industrial robots in development that could do simple painting like walls and corners (you wave their hands using wands and they record the motions). Don't be surprised if we see some of that in a few years... though their maintenance might kill efficiency if they aren't robust.
I had this though earlier today after reading this thread.
The mass production labor will be done by automation after the artist makes a model for them to copy.... ;)
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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by fstkfstk » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:16 pm

There are $40k mini-industrial robots in development that could do simple painting like walls and corners (you wave their hands using wands and they record the motions). Don't be surprised if we see some of that in a few years... though their maintenance might kill efficiency if they aren't robust.
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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by bernyleung » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:32 am

Yes, Vegomatic hit that proverbial nail on the head.

And this is Chinese factory labour. Not as cheap as it once was (labour standards are slowly improving), but ridiculously cheap when compared to North American labour. It can only get more expensive from here, folks.

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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by Vegomatic » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:31 pm

Simply dry brushing is cheap.
Color a few stones and dry brush. cheap
Paint columns in a corner... not so cheap.
Painting multiple colors in an intricately detailed piece. not cheap
Having to paint four colors and dry brush - not cheap

In the fairly distant past, Stefan mentioned that the cost of each piece did not only include the mold, but the process of making the pieces... how many times do they have to strike the mold to pop out a piece, was a water bath required, did the piece require being framed (to hold its shape) before the water bath, etc... It would seem to follow that cost of painting a piece would be directly related to piece complexity, angles, brush strokes, number of colors... if a piece has to be picked up five times (4 colors and a dry brush - letting it dry between each step) then it should cost more to paint than one that has to be handled once.

Castles were mostly large flat pieces... didn't have to work around much. Simple to handle and paint.

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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by kitenerd » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:25 pm

i know - i should have bought 4 sets

i suspect that will be different at retail
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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by geekjeff » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:19 pm

kitenerd wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:08 pm
Thank you for this

Price per piece is wrong on deadly corners painted...

odd how much the painted premium varies... but not surprising as i have backed the previous 4 ;) - a little random pricing is part of the DF charm ;)
It is truly strange and random.

The painted LED floors, which I think are some of most complicated and well executed work we've seen from the DF factory partners, costs a ridiculous measly 4 BUCKS more than the unpainted.

How?

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Re: What do I get in a pledge?

Post by kitenerd » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:08 pm

Thank you for this

Price per piece is wrong on deadly corners painted...

odd how much the painted premium varies... but not surprising as i have backed the previous 4 ;) - a little random pricing is part of the DF charm ;)
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What do I get in a pledge?

Post by AnimeSensei » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:58 pm

As per Nathaniel Wolf's counting on the KS comments. These are before stretch goals.

Pledge Levels

Dungeon Level 1 - $82/$119 (Unpainted/Painted)
31 pieces ($2.65/$3.84 per piece) (45.1% painted premium)
Zaltar's Gameroom

Dungeon Level 2 - $255/$370
103 pieces ($2.48/$3.59 per piece) (45.1% painted premium)
Zaltar's Gameroom; Arcane Alcove; and Lever Chamber

Dungeon Level 3 - $545/$785
263 pieces ($2.07/$2.98 per piece) (44.0% painted premium)
Zaltar's Gameroom; Arcane Alcove; Lever Chamber; Deadly Corners; The Gauntlet; and Acid Bath

Dungeon Level 4 - $985/$1,425
482 pieces ($2.04/$2.96 per piece) (44.7% painted premium)
Zaltar's Gameroom; Arcane Alcove; Lever Chamber; Deadly Corners; The Gauntlet; Acid Bath; Gorgon Tiers; Puzzle Floor Room; and Eldritch Pools

Dungeon Level 5 - $1,325/$1,900
672 pieces ($1.97/$2.83 per piece) (43.4% painted premium)
Zaltar's Gameroom; Arcane Alcove; Lever Chamber; Deadly Corners; The Gauntlet; Acid Bath; Gorgon Tiers; Puzzle Floor Room; Eldritch Pools; The Menagerie; Doomroller's Labyrinth; and Dais of the Dead

Dungeon of Doom - $2,550/$3,600
??? pieces
Zaltar's Gameroom; Arcane Alcove; Lever Chamber; Deadly Corners; The Gauntlet; Acid Bath; Gorgon Tiers; Puzzle Floor Room; Eldritch Pools; The Menagerie; Doomroller's Labyrinth; Dais of the Dead; Lava Bridge, Khri Colony, and Shrine of Sysuul.

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PART COUNT for BASE SETS

Zaltars Gameroom ($82/$119)
31 pieces ($2.65/$3.84 per piece) (45.1% painted premium)

Arcane Alcove ($56/$81)
30 pieces ($1.87/$2.70 per piece) (44.6% painted premium)

Lever Chamber ($126/$185)
42 pieces ($3.00/$4.40 per piece) (46.8% painted premium)

Deadly Corners ($92/$146)
46 pieces ($2.00/$3.17 per piece) (58.7% painted premium)

The Gauntlet ($92/$139)
50 pieces ($1.84/$2.78 per piece) (51.1% painted premium)

Acid Bath ($129/$178)
64 pieces ($2.02/$2.78 per piece) (38.0% painted premium)

Gorgon Tiers ($222/$341)
87 pieces ($2.55/$3.92 per piece) (53.6% painted premium)

Puzzle Floor ($117/$192)
71 pieces ($1.65/$2.70 per piece) (64.1% painted premium)

Eldritch Pools ($143/$219)
61 pieces ($2.34/3.59 per piece) (53.1% painted premium)

The Menagerie ($83/$120)
41 pieces ($2.02/$2.93 per piece) (44.6% painted premium)

Doomrollers Labyrinth ($158/$232)
102 pieces ($1.55/$2.27 per piece) (46.8% painted premium)

Dias of the Dead ($132/$181)
47 pieces ($2.81/$3.85 per piece) (37.1% painted premium)

Lava Bridge ($665/$949)
230 pieces ($2.89/$4.13 per piece) (42.7% painted premium)

Khri Colony

Shrine of Sysuul
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