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Post by Law » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:42 pm

Those sound really, really great. And best of all, they seem like useful items no matter what kind of setup someone wants to do. Medical research lab, post-apocalyptic fortification, orbiting space station, interstellar cruiser -- everyone needs chairs! :D

I'd also like to see things like footlockers -- or just lockers -- and several new types of door. Not just inserts for the very cool door we already have, but entirely new kinds of doors.

There's probably more I could think of with enough time, but for now my mind is veering away from its recent SF binge, and towards DoE and MBS ideas.....

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Post by Ghenghis Ska » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:53 pm

So after doing loads and loads of Sci-Fi set ups recently...

I want for Sci Fi
Bed
Bunks
Chairs, 2-3 types, one kind of lounge recrational, more work sation, and finally something to go next to a table that doesn't look like it is made of planks.
Different Console
Generator

please

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Post by Wereweasel » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:14 am

How does this idea sound for the composition of the next SF Accessories Set?

Make the set somewhat larger and include a variety of items in limited quantities only, ensuring that all items included would be wanted/needed in greater quantities.
Such a composition would promote multiple set purchases while providing a greater range of items in one set.
It would be important to release such a set early so that any pieces/items that may be required in greater quantities (or variety) could be developed and included in other, more specialized sets at a later time. Essentially this first set would provide the standard, mass furnishings only.

Some suggested pieces, that could often be used in multiples are:

Bed/bunk. (2)
Small (round) table.
Larger (rectangular) table.
Set of chairs (6)
Other chairs (2)
Console* (stand-alone) with screen.
Generator/engine part. (The items you see stacked side-by-side in engine rooms).
(med) Vertical pipe (smiliar to other's posted).


* These could be placed anywhere within SF rooms or even in caverns.

I'll defer to everyone here regarding the specific items for such a set.

My main point was in the composition of such a set. I honestly believe that producing a set that would provide a considerable number of new pieces, while promoting multiple-set sales would be the best of both worlds, so-to-speak.

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Post by Ghenghis Ska » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:25 pm

Yes, i understand that you need an onstruction of some sort in the hall for it to work well, it was more of a place to put the guards, who will be manning the station, and present the players a sesne of wonder and ramp up the potential suspense... There is a something in the hall, but what is off behind it, in those one or two little alcoves (works well with the T also but you just have one side in that case ;) )

The dead ends can make the spot where the guards stand, and forcefield or regular doors in the hall are the confinment just past where the hall narrows down again, it would present more area to put things to stop intruders...

just an idea, cuase i want dead ends ;) It is my current DF quest, i had quested for Long walls and Hallways and love them both now i want to dead end those hall ways ;)

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Post by jkratzer » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:39 pm

Problem with a Security checkpoint is that (and I'm speaking as a former Security specialist with the Federal Protective Service) a checkpoint is best served by a constriction in the corridor, as in a desk or console that narrows a passage down to 5' instead of the 10' the Sci-fi Passages are now, with a force-field or armored door just past it. This presents a potential opponent with a slow-down followed by a positive barrier, which precludes both 'crashing the gate' and gunning down the security officers or 'droids.

HOWEVER, as a guard post BESIDE that checkpoint, OR as a systems access station, OR as a 'turbo-lift', OR as a 'Transporter Pad' station, the dead-end works GREAT! Or at least, it would IF we had one.

Oh great, Thanks, GS; NOW you've got me thinking in terms of butchering two corners into a dead-end master and making more!
I can't afford too many hack 'n' slash jobs like this on my Sci-Fi sets; I've only got 6 Passages, 6 Starters, 3 Alphas, and 2 Betas. Gimmee a break!

See ya!

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Post by Ghenghis Ska » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:17 am

A piece i don't know where it should come out, but one i Really think needs to be done is a Sci Fi equivilent of the Dead End Passage.

The exsistance in Fantasy and Caverns is great thing in those lines, and having them in Sci Fi-would be great thing to.

http://www.dwarvenforge.com/store/image ... ctid=16292
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I ran a game the other nigth where it would have been so cool to have them.
In the set up there were 4 spots where i would have loved to have the passage end in a secruity check point or two.


this is just one, the group never got to the other in the session, but it was in a Cross interesection of passages. give two deadend passages and you have a an instant secruity checkpoint, or other resessed alcove on two sides of the hall to put stuff in.
A computer terminal etc, make it into a Lift, (you could actually make a few different ones to get different specific elements going like one is a door (least usefull becuase you could always put a door at the end of a passage as it is now), second make it the inside of a lift/elivator, a transporter station, a computer terminal, etc. ) While only a few of these ideas are maybe really use full as stand alones most could be accomplished by just having a Dead end, and then putting in a secondary scenery element... just oh so want a dead end.

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Post by Yukon Cornelius » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:48 pm


Have you read some of the ideas recently proferred on a couple of the threads?
Some here have said that Dwarven Forge to succeed, they must leave their niche of interiors.
They have said if Dwarven Forge does not, it will not last.
That advocates the excessive spreading of the very few resources that Dwarven Forge possesses; that to me is the advocation of killing the "golden goose" YC.
Some people just refuse to understand that even GW and Hasbro were not what they are now only ten years in.
Dwarven Forge has much growth to go before it can just throw around funds like those two can.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Everything I've read regarding set and piece suggestions has been enthusiastic, yes, but rarely adamant. In fact, you yourself have been very vocal about wanting furnishings, which is great, but some might call that being too demanding. Let's just give everyone the benefit of the doubt. None of us have any authority over Jeff and Stefan, so even if we DO demand, it's all just wind and noise anyway.


But YC, some persons who have been with us DO go off the deep end.
The MapMaker fiasco/debacle/etc. was a perfect example of persons thinking they could dictate to Dwarven Forge how to behave and what to manufacture.

I really do think that any list presented as long as some have been, really do need to be blatantly pointed out as Wish/It Would Be Nice/etc. lists.
Too many times we have endured the ridiculous ire of persons who took it as a personal affront that Dwarven Forge did not perform as they felt that they had so dictated.

I am sure YC that you and the others here who had to endure that Map Maker incident can understand why it might be on the wise side to be blatant with our lists so as to avoid such a nasty situation ever again.
Yes?

You have a point, but I wish that we could all just put that whole mapmaker ugliness behind us. But this is a very different thing, and I trust Jeff and Stefan to take everyone's input with a grain of salt and make decisions that work for thier business.


As far as Space: 1999, maybe the new title could be Space: 2099, yes?
Personally, I am very disappointed with what we Americans have done to our space program over the last 25 years.

Amen to that! Maybe private projects like Spaceship One will help get things moving again. We need to kick things up a notch.


YC, as far as Buck Rogers, the jump suit and Erin Gray, there are currently a few actresses that could pick up the part and carry it off well.
I will not mention any names; THAT is an argument I definitely do not want to get into!

Without Katsulas, G'Kar can still continue; he is Narn.
There was enough make-up involved that a change in actor would not be glaring.
With most of the Earthers, the Centauri and the Minbari, it would be a much different story.

Oh, come on! Name names! Erin Gray in her prime was quite the uber-hottie. Who would you put on that same pedistal?

As for G'Kar, Katsulas brought so much to that performance, I can't see anyone else filling those shoes. Still, the character lives on in other media, like books and graphic novels, so I hope JMS uses those avenues to fill in the rest of the story.

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Post by RabidFox* » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:50 am


Yes, we want what we want, but no one here is going to suggest we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs to get it.

Have you read some of the ideas recently proferred on a couple of the threads?
Some here have said that Dwarven Forge to succeed, they must leave their niche of interiors.
They have said if Dwarven Forge does not, it will not last.
That advocates the excessive spreading of the very few resources that Dwarven Forge possesses; that to me is the advocation of killing the "golden goose" YC.
Some people just refuse to understand that even GW and Hasbro were not what they are now only ten years in.
Dwarven Forge has much growth to go before it can just throw around funds like those two can.


I think that the reason people aren't couching their wish lists more blatantly is that it's assumed that that's how they will be taken. I've never seen any indication to the contrary from Jeff and Stefan. Hopefully some or all of what we suggest will become reality in time, but I think everyone here knows that there are no guarantees.

But YC, some persons who have been with us DO go off the deep end.
The MapMaker fiasco/debacle/etc. was a perfect example of persons thinking they could dictate to Dwarven Forge how to behave and what to manufacture.

I really do think that any list presented as long as some have been, really do need to be blatantly pointed out as Wish/It Would Be Nice/etc. lists.
Too many times we have endured the ridiculous ire of persons who took it as a personal affront that Dwarven Forge did not perform as they felt that they had so dictated.

I am sure YC that you and the others here who had to endure that Map Maker incident can understand why it might be on the wise side to be blatant with our lists so as to avoid such a nasty situation ever again.
Yes?

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BTW, would you like me to make a second half to the Sci-Fi accessory thread for the different Sci-Fi rooms we all would like to make sure we receive accessories and maybe even special Master Maze pieces we would like made with such rooms?

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As far as Space: 1999, maybe the new title could be Space: 2099, yes?
Personally, I am very disappointed with what we Americans have done to our space program over the last 25 years.
We have gotten too fixated on our own personal pleasures and have lost a considerable amount of our pioneer spirit.
Some even say the American manned space program was a waste of money in the '60s and '70s while they enjoy their velcro, personal computers, cell phones and digital watches among many other products that are direct results of the Apollo and Gemini manned space programs.

When I was younger back in 1981, by 2006 we were projected to have:
1) the Belt up - a whole chain of solar power satellites belting the globe to provide most of the power for the Earth. Instead we have nothing up;
2) the 8-9th Anniversary of the establishment of Goddard Base - a permanent manned American moon base at Crater Goddard upon the Moon. Instead we have nothing there and have almost no desire at all from the masses to return;
3) American Space Stations Freedom and Independence would have been around ten and five years old respectively and Space Station Liberty would be drawing to completion. Instead Independence and Liberty have been cancelled, and Freedom is the still uncompleted ISS.
4) the manned flight to Mars, the Ares Mission, would be close to departing, if not already departed, from Freedom or Independence. Instead we might get to Mars by 2015 - if we are LUCKY!!!
5) the O'Neill complex would be celebrating its third anniversary with a population of 250,000+ this year. The O'Neill complex is a living & manufacturing center at the LaGrange Point 5 between the Earth and the Moon. Instead we are at very least fifteen years from that.
6+) And so forth.
A whole vast series of disappointments because too many Americans want all of their taxes to vanish and if not that, then be spent on themselves directly.
Plus, the wackoes from around the world are not helping the situation requiring the spending of so much American resources upon defense.

On the other hand, at the rate things are going, the Chinese will be on the Moon before we get back there.
That might well be a scary proposition.

YC, as far as Buck Rogers, the jump suit and Erin Gray, there are currently a few actresses that could pick up the part and carry it off well.
I will not mention any names; THAT is an argument I definitely do not want to get into!

Without Katsulas, G'Kar can still continue; he is Narn.
There was enough make-up involved that a change in actor would not be glaring.
With most of the Earthers, the Centauri and the Minbari, it would be a much different story.

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Post by Yukon Cornelius » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:28 am


What would also be cool would be if shows like Buck Rogers and Space 1999 (to only name two classics) made comebacks.

Wouldn't it be great if they brought back Space: 1999 and still called it Space: 1999? I'd watch it just for the sheer stones it would take to pull that off. As for Buck Rogers, you're never going to beat Erin Gray in that skintight white jumpsuit, so why even bother? :)

B5 was fantastic in the way it handled character interactions, and really developed arcs for all the characters, and not just a few main players. It was groundbreaking in a lot of other ways, and remains one of my favorite shows of all time. Crusade was unfortunate, but the problems there were with Warner Brothers, not with JMS. They own the rights, so we're pretty much screwed. I really want them to resolve that story, preferably in a graphic novel or two, but I'm not holding my breath.

I met Richard Biggs once, and though his character was the one I liked least on the show, I can definitely agree that he was a very nice guy. He, along with Katsulas, will be missed.

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Post by Yukon Cornelius » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:13 am


The issue here YC is are you saying that the items you mention would be nice to have made some day by Dwarven Forge?
OR are you going on that you want these things right now, bedamn the consequences to Dwarven Forge or what will enable the Master Maze lines to successfully continue?

I had thought the answer to that was self-evident, but for the sake of clarity, it is definitely the former. Also, I truly believe that the vast majority of suggestions on the boards are made in that same spirit.

My philosophy on the whole thing is this: If we make suggestions about the sites we, as Master Maze users, would like to see, we're providing important feedback to Jeff and Stefan about the kinds of products we will purchase in the future. Once they have that feedback, they can do what they want with it. In the end, only they know all the variables that govern the production of their products, and if they weigh our wants against which of those wants are most viable and how much money they can make by producing those products, then the company and all the product lines that go with it will continue and thrive.

Though this forum is quite egalitarian, it by no means makes the company a democracy. Our suggestions are exactly that, and though we all hope that our suggestions will help inform the company's business decisions, in the end those decisions are not ours to make.

Yes, we want what we want, but no one here is going to suggest we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs to get it.

I think that the reason people aren't couching their wish lists more blatantly is that it's assumed that that's how they will be taken. I've never seen any indication to the contrary from Jeff and Stefan. Hopefully some or all of what we suggest will become reality in time, but I think everyone here knows that there are no guarantees.

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